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I mean really, there are. And is saving money on taxes really a valid excuse for steeping to a murderer's level?

Opinions are welcome, but be warned: any harsh language and there will be problems. And it will take alot to change my opinion.

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AdrenalineRush1996 Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2016
Definitely agree with this.
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Dragonlord-Daegen Featured By Owner Edited May 11, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
to me,

the death penalty is such an oxymoron,especially for murderers...

what are we teaching our children (and in turn,all the generations to come) that death is a valid punishment for a crime...

in our youth we are taught "two wrongs do not make a right" and that being violent to those who have done violent things makes one no better than they are....but later are told killing is ok so long as it's in the name of justice? if a man's wife is killed by their neighbor ,and he goes next door and kills the neighbor in turn,that man would be arrested for murder and dispensing Vigilante justice,so why is it ok for the state to execute people for their crimes?  

we execute our murderers to make an example of them,to show the world that Murder is inexcusable....in the end,being guilty of the exact same crime we set out to punish.

some would agree that taking all of thief's property and money (meaning that which actually belongs to said thief) would be wrong...

many more would understand that taking a rapist and raping them,would not only do nothing to absolve the crime,but would be an equally horrid act.

did you know that its a VERY common practice to allow friends and family (of both the killer,and the victim(s) ) to watch an execution? im sorry but that is just sadistic,who would want to watch something like that? 

i was once asked by someone why they bother putting the "red line" in the execution chamber with the condemned...this is because they are required by law to make sure they are sure of their guilt up to the very last moment...because at eny time that phone can ring,with some new evidence or fact that completely changes everything! because the system has its flaws,people make mistakes...people get wrongfully accused,either by error or due to more underhanded reasons....and yet many MANY people get the death penalty,who turn out later to be innocent. 

ok so what if tax payer money is going to keep the individual alive,there are some things out there that are just more important than a small percentage of their wages.....death is not some time out or form of correction...Death is FINAL.  
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Thiendrah Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I agree, there are worse things than death. Castration with no anesthesia, the rack, thumbscrews, being pelted with stones. There are much more fitting punishments for the trash that litters society, but for some reason, no one wants to use them.
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Euroseth Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013
Oh, many would like to use them, make no mistake about that. And it wouldn't be the worst thing.
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ChineseGirl50 Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I hate the death penalty. Putting this fact up again: HOMICIDE RATES DROP WHEN THE DEATH PENALTY IS BANNED!
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Euroseth Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2012
Thank you for sharing your opinion and the useful fact. :)
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ChineseGirl50 Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Welcome! :D
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SolrSurfr3 Featured By Owner May 27, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Agreed. For the really heinous crimes, death is just too simple and easy a punishment.
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Euroseth Featured By Owner May 27, 2012
It would seem that way. Thanks for commenting!
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Triphon Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2012
In France where are live I heard about prisonners asking their lawyer to be put to death, while death penalty is abolished there since 1981.
It's true that our jails are one of the worst in all Europe!

I think that, death penalty or not, we must always consider the possibility of miscarriage of justice. We must be able to save the wrongfully accused people. this is why jails are not meant to become hell on earth, because if the innocent is not murdered by the justice system, they can still commit suicide if they lose all hope to have their innocence proven.
Cases like these really happen, in France we have the Outreau trial's case (2004), where a guy accused of pedophilia committed suicide before the court realised the testimonies were incorrect.
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Euroseth Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2012
Well put, unfortunately we can almost never be entirely certain if justice has been served. Thank you for commenting, my apologies for the late reply. :)
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aldraw Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2011
yeah? like what?
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Fernsparrow Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Think about it.
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Monarda Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2011
Yeah like the psychological terror by being in prison and treated like lesser beings. Or to see how your family is also suffering for wrong choices you've made.

Making it into a question about money makes it even more wrong.

DP is just ultimate denial of human rights. It's cruel, inhuman and degrading and I wouldn't even wish it for my worst enemy.
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2009
How does someone who used force to violate a person's right to their own life in the worst way have any rational claim to their own right to life?

A person loses his rights when he violates the rights of others. That is why the death penalty is okay in my book.
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Monarda Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2011
Being convicted doesn't mean you actually did something. So how about innocent people being executed?

I got a very very close friend on death row. But you don't think people can change? You don't think people can do bad things and not fully be in charge of themselves, being drunk or high etc? So insted of helping them back on track you want to take their lives and by doing so ruining the life of that persons family and friends. What did I do to deserve that?

You realize that what you just wrote, this eye for an eye mentality, pretty much makes it ok with terrorism. One society hurt another and they got all their rights to strike back.

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2011
"Being convicted doesn't mean you actually did something. So how about innocent people being executed?"

I'm against the death penalty legally for the fact that such mistakes can be made, but I'm not against it morally.

"I got a very very close friend on death row. But you don't think people can change? You don't think people can do bad things and not fully be in charge of themselves, being drunk or high etc? So insted of helping them back on track you want to take their lives and by doing so ruining the life of that persons family and friends. What did I do to deserve that?"

What did your friend do? I'm afraid I'm not one for pity without rational cause, so either explain what he did and why his current predicament is unjust or don't waste my time with such things.

Have you checked what qualifies as a capital crime in the US lately? It would do you a lot of good to actually research the subject rather then pulling the lame "well what if they didn't know what they were doing" excuse, especially with me.

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The odds of a person doing most of those under the influence is slim, and if they were, that fact would most certainly be brought up at trial. Please don't insult my intelligence by acting like I don't know what I'm talking about, capiche?

"So insted of helping them back on track you want to take their lives and by doing so ruining the life of that persons family and friends."

So I'm supposed to feel pity for the family of the person who initiated force against another person, but not for the victim's family, who's member did nothing to deserve what happened to him/her? And having a family doesn't change the fact that no one has a right to initiate force against others outside of rational self-defence.

"You realize that what you just wrote, this eye for an eye mentality, pretty much makes it ok with terrorism."

No, it doesn't, that isn't what I said and you damn well know it. Kindly get my words correct and make sure you're right about them before making an ASSumption about them and putting words in my mouth. It's one of my pet peeves and you do not want to get on my bad side when it comes to such things.

I specifically said that anyone who initiates force against others outside of RATIONAL SELF-DEFENCE (eg, in response to the initiation of force) cannot morally and rationally claim the right to be free from force for himself. Terrorism falls under the initiation of force outside of self-defence, ergo it is never justified.

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

Ghandi can kiss my ass and go screw himself. I don't have any respect for naive fools like him who believe defending yourself is just as bad as attacking someone.
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Monarda Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2011
"What did your friend do? I'm afraid I'm not one for pity without rational cause, so either explain what he did and why his current predicament is unjust or don't waste my time with such things.

Have you checked what qualifies as a capital crime in the US lately? It would do you a lot of good to actually research the subject rather then pulling the lame "well what if they didn't know what they were doing" excuse, especially with me.

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I know very well about what it takes to qualify as a capital crime in the U.S. It actually isn't the same even between states. It is not lame to use that as an "excuse" as you call it. People who really are should not be convicted as they were fully aware. It's the same as saying that kids shouldn't get death penalty since they are not fully understanding what they are doing. Or maybe that is ok aswell... You can't use that as an "excuse" since kids develope differently? Seriously. And i'm not saying that they don't know at all what they are doing. I'm saying "not fully aware" big difference and that they cant be held responsible for their actions. Just not death penalty. Otherwise it's just like saying... well you're a drunk.. sorry but we have to kill you.

My friend sais he didn't do anything, I believe him for many many reasons. And honestly, even if he did it I don't care because I still find death penalty sick. No one should be there no matter what crime they commited.
But ok, to the public he is convicted for killing a police officer. Though there is not enough evidence to really prove that it was him and not the other guy. It was just convenient to put him on death row when his "friend" made a deal with the court. Really makes me feel that court is seriously fucked up. He was on drugs, and he had problem with that. He also wanted so bad to get away from the people he was hanging out with and start a new life where he could do a honest living. But... what the hell.. Why should society give him that chance. Why should we help him with his drug problems and help him get on track keeping him away for one big fat crime producer. Why not just kill him insted.

You know what... reality is not the same as reading some fancy text that is put up as guide lines. United States are very good at breaking rules, just like alot of other countries. Truth is that there are people with drug problems being convicted, psychological problems too, and those things NEVER came up in court. To me it seems like you have too much faith in the U.S courts and justice system.

"Please don't insult my intelligence by acting like I don't know what I'm talking about, capiche?"

You do that just fine all by yourself.

"So I'm supposed to feel pity for the family of the person who initiated force against another person, but not for the victim's family, who's member did nothing to deserve what happened to him/her? And having a family doesn't change the fact that no one has a right to initiate force against others outside of rational self-defence"

Honestly I don't know what's up with people like you. If you want me to read what you say then maybe you should try that out yourself?
Who said that you shouldnt feel for the family of the victim? No one ever said that criminals shouldnt be punished. Just said it shouldnt be with death. So you think it's all ok to execute someone to give the family of the victim a "fair" end to the story? I hope you never ever have to go through that yourself. Though you probably should, then maybe you would realise the sickness in it.

"It's one of my pet peeves and you do not want to get on my bad side when it comes to such things."

Wow, am i supposed to get scared now or something? Seriously drop the attitude and threats. You just look like a hysterical idiot with PMS and I really don't want to think that you are.

"Ghandi can kiss my ass and go screw himself. I don't have any respect for naive fools like him who believe defending yourself is just as bad as attacking someone."

Yeah, well that sais all about you.
You don't seem to understand the point of what that eye for an eye thing means.
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2011
Go waste someone else's time; I have none to spare for people who don't get what I'm saying and twist my words.
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Monarda Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2011
wow...
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2011
You didn't address my words about why a person who initiates force against others can't retain his rights, you're making a number of ASSumptions about my beliefs on the subject, your argument on the subject consists of little more than "the death penalty is wrong because killing is wrong" and not explaining how and why killing a criminal is equal to killing someone who hasn't committed a crime. You want to debate with me, you bring your mind and you THINK and REASON on what I say; you don't just come and bang the same drum over and over and over and over and over.
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Monarda Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2011
I don't make assumptions. I asked you questions that you either didn't answer, or answered but I had follow up questions on them. I don't see why I can't ask questions about how you think to be sure I got you right.

Since I haven't really said any arguments at all to why I think it is wrong (because I asked questions to you to understand how you were thinking) you make just as bad as an example, as you claim I am, when you assume what I think. :)

But you said you didnt want me to waste your time... so i'm not going to.
I fearm you are the type, though I hope i'm wrong, that is obsesed with having the last word. You didnt want any time to be wasted so i suggest you stop writing since that is what I will do because you asked for it.
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Euroseth Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2009
Death is an easy get away, and just because the justice system murders with 'good intentions' is basically saying murder is okay as long as somebody in higher power is doing it.
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2009
You don't get what I said. A person who gets the death penalty violated someone else's right to life, therefore by what logic can they then turn around and demand their own right to life be respected?

Force is justified only when it is used in retaliation against someone who's intiated it (eg, in self-defense).
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Euroseth Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2009
The victim was brutally murdered, the murderer is peacefully injected only fearing what's around the corner. It's alot different than being murdered in a cellar or something, that's just pure torture. It would be more of a punishment to stay alive, I would think.
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2009
I'm very much in favor of a less painless execution method. And while alive, a criminal is provided three meals a day, shelter, entertainment, human interaction, all provided at taxpayer expense(heck, if the politicians get their way, they might even get the right to vote again). Explain to me how that is more punishment?
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Euroseth Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2009
In most prisons, Death row isn't all that luxurious. And the burden of being responsible for the murder of a human being is enough to drive you crazy, I would assume.
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someotherguy2 Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2011
That would probably eat away at a rational person, but I doubt that you could call a murderer rational.
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Euroseth Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2011
Granted, but I still can't wrap my head around the idea of killing plus killing equals problem solved. Although it may be somewhat rare, what if the person didn't really do it? And killing them doesn't bring back the victims...
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sonrouge Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2009
I wasn't referring to death row, but normal prison life. And I doubt that.
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Euroseth Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2009
Well people who kill others have serious problems- you won't know for sure unless, in fact, you killed someone. And please look it up.
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dodoman1er Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2009
true........ there's me :icongoofygrinplz:
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seabee10088 Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2009
There are, but if you were to go through those terrible thing's, you'd rather be dead.
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Euroseth Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2009
Terrible things from which perspective, the killer or the victim's family? (sorry, just a bit confused XD )
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seabee10088 Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2009
.. im confused now. aha. Like, say you did something, like mudered someone and and you're going to jail for life, you would rather be dead. (Well not unless you like jail.)
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Euroseth Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2009
Ah, I see XD but the point I'm arguing is that it may be worse to stay alive for some people, making it a more mature punishment than just killing them and wondering whether they died a painful death or if it was something like fluffy pillows...
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seabee10088 Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2009
Ah, I get you're point. This was a extremely confusing conversation. XD
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Euroseth Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2009
Yes it has XD
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seabee10088 Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2009
XD
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black-roses-falling Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2009
I agree. I think that life in jail may very well be a much more valid punishment. Especially if they have work to do while they're there. They're behind bars so they can't harm anyone especially if they're in solitary confinement. Besides sinking to they're level and killing them wont bring any of their victim's back. Honestly I believe that the death penalty is almost an easy way out.[not saying that the criminals being sentenced are always happy about it] They should have to stay in jail.
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Euroseth Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2009
Exactly. I agree with you 100%
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